raggedy cottage and garden: Should women speak in the churches?

Thursday, January 24, 2019

Should women speak in the churches?

"1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co_14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

What is this referring to? Is this referencing ALL women who even so much as READ a bible passage in a church? Is this referencing that ALL men ALWAYS speak the right things ALL the TIME?

I am thinking that this is what lays the foundation of "liberal thinking" if this passage is not RIGHTLY DIVIDED and RIGHTLY ADMIRED for what it truly says.

Recently I went to a gathering of believers in YESHUA (people can still use the name JESUS there....but many know some Hebrew....just like some folks who know German....). At this gathering, the husband (over the age of 35.....perhaps they would call this an elder?) spoke most of the phrases and LED the family and faith fellowship. BUT his wife (who purposefully memorized bible passages) also spake at this gathering. She had TAKEN the TIME to LEARN SCRIPTURE. So, her mind was focused on scripture! She was not being an "ignorant silent" woman. She was being a woman who "knew the bible passages."

Was she speaking against her husband (a man)? No. Was she speaking against other men? No. Was she speaking out of order and disrupting? No. Was she TEACHING men what the scripture is saying? No.

In other words, her WORKS were GODLY in her approach to MEN.......

Unfortunately, we have MANY MANY MANY liberalized "christian" congregations who FEAR women who STUDY the bible because of misinterpretations of these verses! Basically, Liberalized homes do NOT want women to STUDY the bible at all. This passage never says that women shouldn't "study the scripture," "memorize its passages," "correct other women who are deceived," "correct unsaved men" and so forth. RATHER it is referencing the APPROACH to how men and women in a fellowship group should conduct their time of gathering. The women (should be students of the word), so she SHOULD LEARN THINGS from the word in her OWN HOME (in free time), so that the words of TRUTH may be rightly divided when in the fellowship.

Is this passage saying that a woman can never go to a "bible fellowship group" if her husband isn't there? NO!

That is also a deception. She should ASK her husband if it is "safe" to attend such a fellowship group (even if her relative attended this fellowship group.....). Maybe she wants to go to a "sabbath day group" or a "Sunday worship group" or a fellowship group that is "many miles away." Her husband would KNOW if this would be safe for her to attend such gatherings. Her husband would ALSO KNOW if the men in that "fellowship group" MAY be speaking untrue, unkind, disrespect towards GOD types of things in that group! She should ASK her husband (even if he is unsaved) things from HOME, before CREATING a scene and developing a "false fellowship group."

If the teaching is really truly good, then the women would be RIGHTLY allowed to speak, sing, praise in that group and HUSBAND/(MEN who KNOW SCRIPTURE) would KNOW that the respectful interaction is there. It is SHAMEFUL when women speak in a church, because the MEN do NOT know enough scripture and the WOMEN are the only ones who KNOW scripture. In other words, the orders of worship should SHOW that the MEN are aware of the TRUTH (Old and New testament), so THAT a woman isn't exclusively SPEAKING. It would be even more SHAMEFUL if women were speaking AGAINST what the bible teaches!

Kinda like singing in a choir. The choir has mainly MALE voices as the FOUNDATION in the songs permitted from this choir. (The first five books of the bible often only references MEN....especially in regards to lifespan. ONLY SARAH is given the lifespan in the ENTIRE bible....and it IS ONLY found in the first five books of the bible.) But if only the WOMEN have learned the foundation songs for this choir, it would be SHAMEFUL to only hear the women singing. MALE voices have a FOUNDATION nature that HOLDS down the FORT (deep tones, strength, long-suffering, endurance etc.). It is GOOD for women to "memorize" the FOUNDATION passages (know the people in the CHOIR respectfully), but it is NOT good if women are to BE the FOUNDATION of the choir. They are not MEANT to be the FOUNDATION......because then ONLY SARAH....the mother of ISAAC and GRANDMOTHER of JACOB would be singing......

Here is a MAN speaking. HE encourages MEN to KNOW the "Torah" so to speak. This is the FOUNDATION of the scripture......which leads to YESHUA/JESUS. Yes, this man allows a woman to speak on his program from time to time. But the woman allowed must show that SHE is a student of BIBLE, AND she is a SERVANT of other women and men. Not self-serving.

There are other types of Christian fellowship churches and groups where the words are rightly divided in that group. ONLY the women who are RESPECTFUL of the BIBLE are permitted to speak in ORDER of the WORSHIP. Like Baptist, Anabaptist, conservative groups etc. But for illustration, TORAH (first five books of the bible respect) IS the FOUNDATION of understanding the verses (1 cor 13:34-35). Women who dislike first-five-books-of bible.....will also be SHAMEFUL to the last-five-books-of bible......(as will the MEN who give credit to such things).

It is clearly SHAMEFUL when MEN don't know scripture and allow women to "speak" even in the public square. Because they have HATRED in their heart towards the creator and redeemer. This is the type of SHAME that is hate-filled and hurtful to MEN and to WOMEN created in his image. Notice how these MEN do not ADMIRE the scripture foundation? Should these MEN even lead a church? No. It WOULD be shameful for these types of men to lead, because they WANT women who do not know scripture to SPEAK in their "churches" and "social groups."

Rightly ADMIRE the passages in that it shows that WOMEN SHOULD LEARN BIBLE.........FROM HOME! Else it is shameful to our creator and redeemer.

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